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Good Morning Psychos! Here’s to a beautiful day of love, peace, & the sweet inspirations of joy. Happy Tuesday!

 

And that's why my favourite day of the week right there 

 

Now if one would only take me away on a decent holiday 

 

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[Casiusco]

About Hempsy, Pom Klementieff, the same one that the unreliable gossips said that she is more than a friend, says:

 

"Your musculature is quite pathetic, your hammer is teeny tiny"

 

@Trianna, your turn.

@Fortis93, isn't it cool that a girl sees an Aussie and tries to go beyond a superficial opinion at first glance?

@Hollywood E Rock, it's incredible how many people judge others only by their looks. We should create a Pyscho VIP card just for people who would never do that, like us. But not everyone is lucky enough to appreciate the intelligence behind beauty, isn't it?

 

I leave this post with a Battiato's song, a very peculiar italian old singer-songwriter, who died a few months ago. "Niente é come sembra" (= Nothing is what it seems). For Hempsy. 

 

 

Edited August 10, 2021 by Casiusco

[Trianna]

3 minutes ago, Casiusco said:

About Hempsy, Pom Klementieff, the same one that the unreliable gossips said that she is more than a friend, says:

 

"Your musculature is quite pathetic, your hammer is teeny tiny"

 

@Trianna, your turn.

Tbh no matter about which guy, it's just laughable if a woman resorts to "he has a tiny d*ck"...they cry if men call them fat/ugly/point out small tits, but they think they are allowed to laugh about something a man has no control over 🙄

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[Casiusco]

On 8/9/2021 at 11:04 AM, Trianna said:

It's number 1 for me this time, he just has that special something...(it's the food)

 

 

1. Scorsese does have a point criticizing Marvel movies but he would be more believable saying things like this about Transformers or Fast&Furious...so yeah I think there is some truth to it...taking the biggest franchise and causing a ruckus is still PR

2. Even if she already got a lot of money, it's still not right if she could/should have earned more. No one would be happy if they agreed to work under certain conditions expecting a certain amount of money and then they change something on a whim. And Disney really jumped the shark with their statement regarding the situation.

3. Is Messi even real?

4. Well...what could the topic about Germany be that I like the least...hmmm...reeeeaaaaallly hard to tell

 

On 8/9/2021 at 3:02 PM, Veum said:

 

🥤howdy @Casiusco,

1. Had to look it up *gulp*… so says Scorsese just because of the way he makes his movies… variety is the spice of life!

2. Scarlett for the win, it is not the same Disney I grew up with 😞 

3. Messi’s tears are real, he will be leaving a team he enjoyed!

4. Do not get me started on this, I’ll be in John’s doghouse again 😂 

 

 

On 8/9/2021 at 3:54 PM, Fortis93 said:

 

It's really hard to say what the exact motivators were for Scorsese's criticism of Marvel films, but a marketing/PR decision is a possibility given the nature of Hollywood.

 

Since much debate and controversy has followed Scorsese's criticisms of the current state of cinema, I figured I'd offer my own two cents.

 

Now, rather than saying I agree/disagree with his comments, I'll just offer my own disorganised thoughts:

 

Part of the beauty of cinema lies in the many forms it can take. One of those forms can be a "rollercoaster" or "rollercoaster ride".

 

Just because a film aims to provide a rollercoaster ride for its audience doesn't automatically disqualify its inclusion as a piece of a "cinema", and nor does it necessarily mean it's a film without any depth or merit or intelligence.

 

Formulaic filmmaking isn't a recent phenomenon. Big-budget, tentpole blockbusters (often based on a pre-existing IP) have been around for quite a while and they're meant to get asses in seats and make $$$. Now, depending on the studio, these films can play a rather pivotal role in keeping the theatrical experience alive and well, as well as providing opportunities for smaller, more independent films (such as those often pursued by Scorsese) to get made and screened.

 

And at the risk of offering up a "hot-take", if you've seen enough films, you may see that many arthouse/indie/experimental films can be just as guilty as a adhering to a well-worn formula as these tentpole blockbusters, albeit in a much more esoteric, abstract or thematic way.

 

An older generation of filmmakers not connecting with the current style of cinema isn't a new thing either.

 

If you go back to the 1970s, which is often considered to be one of the golden eras in the history of cinema, and read a lot of the critiques and interviews from older filmmakers from that time, you'll find that some of them weren't particularly impressed the new-wave style of filmmaking (by the likes of Scorsese, Coppola, Spielberg, Lucas, De Palma, Friedkin, etc.) that began to take hold and nor did they think anything particularly new was being done. At least, nothing that hadn't already been done before.

 

And finally, broadly defining films as "rollercoasters" to discredit them when they can encompass a rollercoaster of events or a rollercoaster of emotions the audience experiences whilst watching a film does a great disservice to a great many films, including ones by Scorsese.

 

Films like Goodfellas, Casino, The Wolf of Wall Street, etc. can be classified as "rollercoasters" in terms of where they take audiences on these journeys with the characters.

 

And those films are cinema....right? 😉

 

1. @Fortis93 is right, there have always been formula-movies, or roller coasters of its time, it's not something new; and reading @Trianna I think that maybe there are quite a few more than Scorsese named. I don't think that Scorsese sought publicity with his statements, in fact I would bet more that it is Gunn himself who is looking for some notoriety now, after this time, since Scorsese is well known for his public reflections on cinema situation or history, even in many documentaries, from always, in a lot of moments, without having to have a new movie on the starting grid. We can agree with him or not, it's another debate; but I definitely don't think it was a question of looking for publicity, as Gunn said.

But reading again calmly what you have written, I have the impression that the main difference between the old days, where there were also commercial films, and these times, is that now in the studios and in the productions the financiers rule, not the movies people; and that has made them adopt that formula of great success -and above all, its astonishing figures- sweeping everything else from the market. That difference makes that in the current situation everyone looks for those gigantic figures as the reference, the mere fact of advertising a film forces you to be at their leven if you want people to see you, and all that as a whole is preventing another type of cinema. Not necessarily experimental or artistic cinema, as @Fortis93 said, but even stories for other type of target. Sometimes hitting or despising even good commercial, roller coasters or other superhero movies that don't get that high.

A few months ago I read an article where it was told how Michael Douglas was denied the possibility of making a film with only a budget of 25 million with the excuse that "those films are no longer being made". To Michael Douglas, yes.

These are the decisions of the big studios, and if we add to that, that the big studios first bought the small ones, and now they are merging or buying between them, we have less possibilities in the market. As @Veum said, this Disney it's not the same. 

 

And for me that is the main problem, that the roller coaster formula -from a financial point of view, and boosted from a financial point of view- is eating everything, little by little. I don't know in your countries, but when I see the billboards in my usual cinemas, I find less and less variety; less real options. And, as @Veum said, variety is the spice of life.

 

I think that everything has to have its place. Superhero movies, Scorsese movies, traditional dramas, auteur cinema, slashers, experimental cinema...., and even the documentary that we will one day shoot when we meet. For sure. We need a world where Tony Stark and Frank Sheeran can exist close. Where you could see the last Fellini's film and Porky's in few days.

 

It's my opinion.

 

For another day we leave reflecting on the influence of the deep bias of streaming platforms, the real freedom of choice, and the educational influence that this has on the audiovisual education of the new generations of teenagers. Or not. For now we can continue talking about Hempsy's hammer.  

 

 

2. I'm agree with you both, @Trianna and @Veum. And a deal is a deal. 

 

In fact, if Disney keeps buying studios and distributors, it will one day be the only studio in the US.

 

 

3. @Trianna Yes, Messi is real, I've seen him close many times when he came to play against my team. In fact, I was surprised by how real he was: when he practiced before playing he put in a lot of effort, he ran with top intensity, exercising with greater concentration and dedication than his peers. Then he started the game, and he walked calmly through the field.

 

But I don't believe his tears. I disagree @Veum. If you've earned more than 700 million in that club, you love that club, they made you a player taking care of you since you were a child, for more than 21 yers, and you don't really want to leave, what you don't do is demand 40-50 million per season knowing that your club is bankrupt, and they cannot pay it. And leave if they don't give them to you.

 

I think he thought of money first, it's his right; and then he tried to offer a good image in Barcelona to return to live there one day.

 

By the way, for history it remains that his last game at Barcelona was... against my team, in Barcelona, and they lost 1-2.  

Edited August 11, 2021 by Casiusco

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[Fortis93]

1 hour ago, Casiusco said:

1. @Fortis93 is right, there have always been formula-movies, or roller coasters of his time, it's not something new; and reading @Trianna I think that maybe there are quite a few more than Scorsese named. I don't think that Scorsese sought publicity with his statements, in fact I would bet more that it is Gunn himself who is looking for some notoriety now, since Scorsese is well known for his public reflections on cinema situation or history, even in many documentaries, from always, in a lot of moments, without having to have a new movie on the starting grid. We can agree with him or not, it's another debate; but I definitely don't think it was a question of looking for publicity, as Gunn said.

But reading again calmly what you have written, I have the impression that the main difference between the old days, where there were also commercial films, and these times, is that now in the studios and in the productions the financiers rule, not the movies people; and that has made them adopt that formula of great success -and above all, its astonishing figures- sweeping everything else from the market. The main difference is that in the current situation everyone looks for those gigantic figures as the reference, the mere fact of advertising a film forces you to be at their leven if you want people to see you, and all that as a whole is preventing another type of cinema. Not necessarily experimental or artistic cinema, as @Fortis93 said, but even stories for other type of target. Sometimes hitting or despising even good commercial, roller coasters or superhero movies that don't get that high.

A few months ago I read an article where it was told how Michael Douglas was denied the possibility of making a film with only a budget of 25 million with the excuse that "those films are no longer being made". Michael Douglas, yes.

These are the decisions of the big studios, and if we add to that, that the big studios first bought the small ones, and now they are merging or buying between them, we have less possibilities in the market. As @Veum said, this Disney it's not the same. 

 

And for me that is the main problem, that the roller coaster formula -from a financial point of view, and boosted from a financial point of view- is eating everything, little by little. I don't know in your countries, but when I see the billboards in my usual cinemas, I find less and less variety; less real options. And, as @Veum said, variety is the spice of life.

 

I think that everything has to have its place. Superhero movies, Scorsese movies, traditional dramas, auteur cinema, slashers, experimental cinema...., and even the documentary that we will one day shoot when we meet. For sure. We need a world where Tony Stark and Frank Sheeran can exist close. Where you could see the last Fellini's film and Porky's in few days.

 

It's my opinion.

 

For another day we leave reflecting on the influence of the deep bias of streaming platforms, the real freedom of choice, and the educational influence that this has on the audiovisual education of the new generations of teenagers. Or not. For now we can continue talking about Hempsy's hammer.  

 

I don't really dispute any of this.

 

A lot of studios nowadays would do well to invest a greater level trust in filmmakers and let them tell them their stories without any destructive interference or pandering.

 

There are very few filmmakers nowadays such as Christopher Nolan, James Cameron, etc. that can get away with making any movie they like with the full backing of the studio.

 

Outside of that, I don't think there's much than can be done. Superhero films are as popular as ever, attracting a lot of great talent and spurring the kind of technical innovation that filmmakers like Scorsese having been utilising with projects such as "The Irishman" and the upcoming "Killers of the Flower Moon".

 

I don't see that going away anytime soon, especially with the advent of Disney+ streaming and the current influx of MCU shows. I also don't think this kind of backlash will stop studios from making these kinds of films and suddenly start letting writers/directors make "other" kinds of films.

 

In an ideal world, there is room for all kinds of cinema, all kinds of stories; as it was in decades past, especially in the 1970s where films like The Godfather, The Exorcist, The Sting, Jaws, Star Wars, etc. were all blockbusters; movies of various kinds and genres that people lined up around blocks to see. The kind of cinema where art, entertainment and commerce were essentially fused to create indelible works that a majority of both critics and audiences revered and still do so to this day.

 

I'd love to see more of that finding its way back into our cineplexes more than anyone else. I just don't see how putting one kind of film down at the expense of another will get us there (just my personal opinion).

 

At the moment there's such an unnecessary divide between art/entertainment that I think is doing more harm than good and seems to be rather limiting of the vast potential of cinema and storytelling.

 

At the end of the day, peoples wallets will steer studios towards making other types of films.

 

This is why I'm big on supporting both other smaller films (and risky blockbuster endeavours) and letting studios know that there is an audience for them. 

 

And then maybe, just maybe, we may start to see studios backing these kinds of projects more and more.

 

Edited August 11, 2021 by Fortis93

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Morning Psychos have a great day!!

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Hello Hello 👋🏼
 

Summer has apparently decided to drop by in the east of England once more. It’s a glorious day here and I am fully intent on blitzing my day in order to sit out in the sunshine armed with cold ones and a burger come 4pm. The weather has been rubbish this year.

 

Already sweated my backside off with the days workout. Even first thing this morning the home gym was rank as the sun crept over to bake the roof.

 

Also already submitted today’s intended work ahead of schedule, so now I get to calmly peruse emails and MP at the same time as the countdown begins…

 

Edited August 11, 2021 by Pbsw23

[Pbsw23]

@Casiusco I like that you do not believe Messi’s tears. I personally believe them to a certain extent, but more along the lines of a “what have I done” as the realisation hits home that guess what…. The club is bigger than the player.

 

Is he the best player in the world? Of all time? Obviously the stats and record books suggest that he is, but I’m not convinced he would have the same stats if had moved away from Barca. I’m not particularly a Ronaldo fan, but at least you can argue that he has consistently done it across Europe.

 

I have much the same view with Pep Guardiola. No doubt the guy is an amazing coach, but I’d like to see what he achieves with a Newcastle or a Getafe. It has to be considerably easier to succeed when you manage Barca, Bayern and Man City.

[Trianna]

@Casiusco I would love to see variety in movies as well the problem is the short attention span of the people nowadays. 

 

For example I read some reviews of The Joker from our local cinema visitors when it first came out. There were A LOT one star review with the reason"nothing is happening, they just talk all the time". I don't know if the internet is partly at least at fault but most people can't seem to sit through a movie if a scene goes longer than 20 seconds without a dramatic cut, an explosion, shaky cam whatever.

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17 minutes ago, Trianna said:

@Casiusco I would love to see variety in movies as well the problem is the short attention span of the people nowadays. 

 

For example I read some reviews of The Joker from our local cinema visitors when it first came out. There were A LOT one star review with the reason"nothing is happening, they just talk all the time". I don't know if the internet is partly at least at fault but most people can't seem to sit through a movie if a scene goes longer than 20 seconds without a dramatic cut, an explosion, shaky cam whatever.

On one hand, I’m going to point to Birdman as being an incredible piece of art with regards to long scenes. So clever and yet… nothing happens really. Totally sucked me in though.

 

And then on the other hand, why does everything have to be 2hr+ long these days. Yes I obviously love my MCU and LotR epics, but do I really need 2 & 1/2 hours of Dom Toretto for the NINTH time?!!

 

What happened to 90min masterpieces.

Edited August 11, 2021 by Pbsw23

[Fortis93]

13 minutes ago, Pbsw23 said:

On one hand, I’m going to point to Birdman as being an incredible piece of art with regards to long scenes. So clever and yet… nothing happens really. Totally sucked me in though.

 

And then on the other hand, why does everything have to be 2hr+ long these days. Yes I obviously love my MCU and LofR epics, but do I really need 2 & 1/2 hours of Dom Toretto for the NINTH time?!!

 

What happened to 90min masterpieces.

 

At the risk of offering up another "hot take", I think the fault lies within some combination of the studios, filmmakers and audiences.

 

And I say that as someone who is firmly on the side of the audience. I think audiences will sit through films that are "still" as long as there is something engaging happening, e.g. 12 Angry Men, which a lot of younger audiences to seem to really dig from what I've seen.

 

There are times when filmmakers conflate self-consciously "showy" long-takes or superficial "stillness" for depth and I think a lot of audiences can sniff that out.

 

Not saying that "Joker" or "Birdman" are necessarily guilty of this (though there were times in Birdman when those long-takes started to draw a bit too much attention to themselves in a way that was distracting).

 

[Pbsw23]

8 minutes ago, Fortis93 said:

 

At the risk of offering up another "hot take", I think the fault lies within some combination of the studios, filmmakers and audiences.

 

And I say that as someone who is firmly on the side of the audience. I think audiences will sit through films that are "still" as long as there is something engaging happening, e.g. 12 Angry Men, which a lot of younger audiences to seem to really dig from what I've seen.

 

There are times when filmmakers conflate self-consciously "showy" long-takes or superficial "stillness" for depth and I think a lot of audiences can sniff that out.

 

Not saying that "Joker" or "Birdman" are necessarily guilty of this (though there were times in Birdman when those long-takes started to draw a bit too much attention to themselves in a way that was distracting).

 

The art of film making has come such a long way hasn’t it, and to a certain level it has ruined the art of story telling for me. I don’t know about anyone else, but When I think about some of the movies from my childhood and what they meant to me, and then I watch them back, it’s almost as if part of it was imagination in my head, and that was part of the enjoyment. 
 

With today’s films, I find I pick holes in plots wayyyyyy too easily, but that’s in part because they are trying too hard. Obviously part of it is my age and experience of the world, but I’m not sure I will love something as much as I did back then.

 

Not sure if that makes sense…. 😂

[Trianna]

9 minutes ago, Fortis93 said:

 

At the risk of offering up another "hot take", I think the fault lies within some combination of the studios, filmmakers and audiences.

 

And I say that as someone who is firmly on the side of the audience. I think audiences will sit through films that are "still" as long as there is something engaging happening, e.g. 12 Angry Men, which a lot of younger audiences to seem to really dig from what I've seen.

 

There are times when filmmakers conflate self-consciously "showy" long-takes or superficial "stillness" for depth and I think a lot of audiences can sniff that out.

 

Not saying that "Joker" or "Birdman" are necessarily guilty of this (though there were times in Birdman when those long-takes started to draw a bit too much attention to themselves in a way that was distracting).

 

That's true, long films aren't necessarily boring nor do slow-paced movies have to be guaranteed artistic-engaging-masterpieces. 

 

But I also agree with @Pbsw23 that nowadays movies get longer and longer without the story or action to fill that time. Longer doesn't always mean better 😉 

 

It is just sad that studios won't take any risks and publish slower movies or let scenes breathe for once. On the other hand it's sad that this is nowadays considered a risk because people have the attention span for the length of a tiktok video. 

[Fortis93]

4 minutes ago, Pbsw23 said:

The art of film making has come such a long way hasn’t it, and to a certain level it has ruined the art of story telling for me. I don’t know about anyone else, but When I think about some of the movies from my childhood and what they meant to me, and then I watch them back, it’s almost as if part of it was imagination in my head, and that was part of the enjoyment. 
 

With today’s films, I find I pick holes in plots wayyyyyy too easily, but that’s in part because they are trying too hard. Obviously part of it is my age and experience of the world, but I’m not sure I will love something as much as I did back then.

 

Not sure if that makes sense…. 😂

 

I think I know where you're coming from.

 

I don't know if it's a matter of films trying too hard, but that films or filmmakers are becoming a bit too self-conscious these days. Everything is referential or too busy paying homage to something else or a filmmaker is trying to be "quirky" or clever for its own sake.

 

I was born in the 90s, but grew up on a steady diet of blockbusters made from the 1970s through to the 1990s and I long for the days where you could watch a film and be so utterly engrossed that it stays with you long after watching. That kind that you want to revisit over and over again.

 

I think of films like Die Hard, Predator, T2, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Aliens, Jaws, etc.

 

4 minutes ago, Trianna said:

That's true, long films aren't necessarily boring nor do slow-paced movies have to be guaranteed artistic-engaging-masterpieces. 

 

But I also agree with @Pbsw23 that nowadays movies get longer and longer without the story or action to fill that time. Longer doesn't always mean better 😉 

 

It is just sad that studios won't take any risks and publish slower movies or let scenes breathe for once. On the other hand it's sad that this is nowadays considered a risk because people have the attention span for the length of a tiktok video

 

100%.

 

I love that kind of tight, propulsive storytelling where not a single scene is wasted, but at the same time, allows room for certain story points or beats to properly develop.

 

It's a high-wire balancing act that's become a bit of a lost art nowadays.

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