Multi Retailer Mean Streets (4K Ultra HD + Blu-ray Collector's Edition) (Second Sight Films) [UK]

[ShadowWarrior]

Release Date: January 15, 2024

Retail Price: £49.99 / £48.99

Purchase Link: Amazon UK Second Sight ZAVVI

Note: Standard Edition

 

 

 

 

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Special Features 

• Dual format edition including both UHD and Blu-ray with main feature and bonus features on both discs
• New 4K restoration supervised and approved by Director Martin Scorsese and Collaborator Thelma Schoonmaker
• Restored original mono audio
• UHD presented in Dolby Vision HDR
• New audio commentary by Demetrios Matheou (author of BFI Films Classics Mean Street) and David Thompson (Co-Editor of Scorsese on Scorsese)
• Scene specific audio commentary with Martin Scorsese and Actor Amy Robinson
• Keep Moving Forward: a new interview with Producer Jonathan T Taplin
• Saints and Sinners: Dr Catherine Wheatley on Mean Streets
• 2011 Film at Lincoln Center screening introduction, interview and Q&A with Martin Scorsese
• Mardik: Baghdad to Hollywood feature-length documentary
• Archive featurette: Back on the Block
• Archive featurette: Home Movies
• Trailer

Limited Edition Contents

• Rigid slipcase with original artwork
• 178-page book with new essays by Mark Asch, Daniel Bird, Charles Bramesco, Lillian Crawford, Elena Lazic, Manuela Lazic, Christina Newland and Extract from Scorsese on Scorsese
• 8 collectors' art cards 

 

[ShadowWarrior]

 

[R1s1ngs0n]

From Second Sight:
Pre-orders will now be going live next week while we await a print delivery date. We apologise for the inconvenience.

 

[Heywoodmoutaw]

Love what they did with Crimes of the Future.  I’ve been very close to just ordering the Criterion Mean Streets release but now I’m going to wait a bit to see what Second Sight does with this.

[R1s1ngs0n]

[R1s1ngs0n]

Have to say I'm quite disapponted with this package. I had hoped Second Sight would commision new artwork for this release and give us something special, like they did with Picnic At Hanging Rock.

I'll be going the Criterion route with this one; even if their 4K transfer turns out to be inferior to Second Sight's, I much prefer the new art on their release.

Edited October 27, 2023 by R1s1ngs0n

[Veum]

1 hour ago, R1s1ngs0n said:

Have to say I'm quite disapponted with this package. I had hoped Second Sight would commision new artwork for this release and give us something special, like they did with Picnic At Hanging Rock.

I'll be going the Criterion route with this one; even if their 4K transfer turns out to be inferior to Second Sight's, I much prefer the new art on their release.

 

Yeah I’m trying to figure out which one I would like better at the moment… I like the SS rigid slipcase however I like the Criterion cover better? 🧐 🤷‍♂️ 

 

Limited Edition Contents: - Rigid slipcase with original artwork - 178-page book with new essays by Mark Asch, Daniel Bird, Charles Bramesco, Lillian Crawford, Elena Lazic, Manuela Lazic, Christina Newland and Extract from Scorsese on Scorsese - 8 collectors' art cards

 

OR…

 

[ShadowWarrior]

Updated.

[Heywoodmoutaw]

Really wish I felt like they’re going to adapt for some of the complaints I’m hearing about the transfer but that seems unlikely.  I love this movie enough that I’m going to buy some version of it, not sure this is worth the extra money if it has the same transfer as the Criterion.

[Casiusco]

It's cheaper in Rarewaves, and this weekend you can use their 10% discount code.

 

https://www.rarewaves.com/products/5028836042013-mean-streets-limited-edition

 

PD: I don't know if talking about this store is allowed or not here. If there is a problem, please delete the post.

 

 

 

 

[Gentleman]

vor 4 Stunden schrieb Casiusco:

It's cheaper in Rarewaves, and this weekend you can use their 10% discount code.

 

https://www.rarewaves.com/products/5028836042013-mean-streets-limited-edition

 

PD: I don't know if talking about this store is allowed or not here. If there is a problem, please delete the post.

 

 

 

 

 

Do you know if they pack well?

[Casiusco]

6 hours ago, Gentleman said:

 

Do you know if they pack well?

 

In my experience they send in padded envelopes. It's not the best option, obviously, but I have to say that I have almost always received everything well, I was lucky, and when there was a problem they responded well.

 

Before they had their own web shop they were a very well known eBay seller with a great reputation.

 

But no, don't expect deluxe packaging.

 

They offer good prices but save on other things.

 

[Gary K]

19 hours ago, Heywoodmoutaw said:

Really wish I felt like they’re going to adapt for some of the complaints I’m hearing about the transfer but that seems unlikely.  I love this movie enough that I’m going to buy some version of it, not sure this is worth the extra money if it has the same transfer as the Criterion.

Since it’s a new 4K restoration supervised by Scorsese I’m pretty optimistic it will look fantastic 

[Heywoodmoutaw]

3 hours ago, Gary K said:

Since it’s a new 4K restoration supervised by Scorsese I’m pretty optimistic it will look fantastic 

I think so, hope so.  I just read one notice that said it was a bit too teal, similar to some other Criterion releases.  Probably nothing.

 

I’ve been really happy with Scorsese 4K upgrades with one exception, Goodfellas, which has never had a spectacular release and I think is just never going to look great.  Casino looks mind-blowingly good, Wolf of Wall Street is probably just as nice.  Raging Bull and Taxi Driver both look pretty great.  Hate to admit it, but I picked up a cheap copy of Shutter Island and haven’t even looked at it yet.

[ShadowWarrior]

 

 

 

 

 

[hal56]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb ShadowWarrior:

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for posting this.

To make it short: whats sanctioned by the director is key. I couldnt care less for all the people complaining, the movie doesnt look how they remembered it anymore.

You see it now how the director WANTS you to see it. End of discussion.

 

Edited November 2, 2023 by hal56

[R1s1ngs0n]

20 hours ago, hal56 said:

Thanks for posting this.

To make it short: whats sanctioned by the director is key. I couldnt care less for all the people complaining, the movie doesnt look how they remembered it anymore.

You see it now how the director WANTS you to see it. End of discussion.

 

Criterion also faced the same criticism with their Memories Of Murder release, despite it being director-approved and according to his original vision. Fans of the movie didn't like the heavy yellowish-green tint the film received and also that it was way too dark in places.

I did see some clips of the two versions side by side and decided I liked the original better, which is why I'm happy the upcoming Injoigan release will use that transfer and not Criterion's.

I haven't seen Mean Streets in a long while so I'm not too bothered or worried about how this new transfer will look. In Scorsese I trust.

Edited November 3, 2023 by R1s1ngs0n

[Casiusco]

On 11/2/2023 at 10:12 PM, hal56 said:

Thanks for posting this.

To make it short: whats sanctioned by the director is key. I couldnt care less for all the people complaining, the movie doesnt look how they remembered it anymore.

You see it now how the director WANTS you to see it. End of discussion.

 

 

22 hours ago, R1s1ngs0n said:

Criterion also faced the same criticism with their Memories Of Murder release, despite it being director-approved and according to his original vision. Fans of the movie didn't like the heavy yellowish-green tint the film received and also that it was way too dark in places.

I did see some clips of the two versions side by side and decided I liked the original better, which is why I'm happy the upcoming Injoigan release will use that transfer and not Criterion's.

I haven't seen Mean Streets in a long while so I'm not too bothered or worried about how this new transfer will look. In Scorsese I trust.

 

For me, in the case of any restoration, remastering, or even updating, whatever the director says goes. He's the boss.

 

It's his work, not mine.

 

That's my point of view.

[hal56]

vor 18 Minuten schrieb Casiusco:

 

 

For me, in the case of any restoration, remastering, or even updating, whatever the director says goes. He's the boss.

 

It's his work, not mine.

 

That's my point of view.

My POV too.

If one doesnt like the look of a movie, go shoot your own and do what you want with it. Its your movie then.

 

[R1s1ngs0n]

18 minutes ago, Casiusco said:

 

 

For me, in the case of any restoration, remastering, or even updating, whatever the director says goes. He's the boss.

 

It's his work, not mine.

 

That's my point of view.

I agree in principle. But even filmmakers or artists in general are not immune to making mistakes when updating their works. Look no further than Mr. Lucas' very questionable additions to the original SW trilogy. I would be hard pressed to find a single person who thinks these were a good idea. 

[Gary K]

33 minutes ago, R1s1ngs0n said:

I agree in principle. But even filmmakers or artists in general are not immune to making mistakes when updating their works. Look no further than Mr. Lucas' very questionable additions to the original SW trilogy. I would be hard pressed to find a single person who thinks these were a good idea. 

Making sure a transfer is the director's original vision is different than updating and adding to the work.  Updating the work creates an entirely new derivative work which I may have different reactions to and opinions about.  I'll defer to pure restorations but have mixed feelings about updates.

[Casiusco]

On 11/4/2023 at 5:08 PM, R1s1ngs0n said:

I agree in principle. But even filmmakers or artists in general are not immune to making mistakes when updating their works. Look no further than Mr. Lucas' very questionable additions to the original SW trilogy. I would be hard pressed to find a single person who thinks these were a good idea. 

 

On 11/4/2023 at 5:50 PM, Gary K said:

Making sure a transfer is the director's original vision is different than updating and adding to the work.  Updating the work creates an entirely new derivative work which I may have different reactions to and opinions about.  I'll defer to pure restorations but have mixed feelings about updates.

 

I have nothing against Lucas' updates. In fact, I find what Disney did and does with The Saga much more relevant, in a negative way. 

 

For me, Lucas is the creator, and if now he thinks he can do things he had thought and couldn't do at the time, or not as he would have liked, I see it fine. 

 

Who am I to tell the author, the creator, what he can or cannot do?

 

Then I will like it more or less, as I like any work more or less, but he is in charge. He rules.

 

Did he make mistakes?

 

I don't know. 

 

Is an update a mistake?

 

If Coppola decides that on the screens currently available The Godfather should be seen in a very specific way, am I someone who can contradict him, to Coppola!!, and consider it a mistake?

 

I don't see it.

 

The vision is his. And people sometimes look too much for a certain purity in an original, primal version. 

 

If we were to apply that to Blade Runner, it probably wouldn't be as good as it finally is.

 

But, I repeat, this is very subjective. And debating is a lot of fun.  

 

By the way, I'm happy with Lucas' updates. And I think there is more soul of "Star Wars" -and what it represents- in the "Episode III" than in the last three films added together. 

 

In fact the best way to show who has the vision, and who is the creator, is to see what happens when that person is missing. With Lucas, with movies, with books, with music. With everything.

 

[hansreinhardt]

12 minutes ago, Casiusco said:

 

 

I have nothing against Lucas' updates. In fact, I find what Disney did and does with The Saga much more relevant, in a negative way. 

 

For me, Lucas is the creator, and if now he thinks he can do things he had thought and couldn't do at the time, or not as he would have liked, I see it fine. 

 

Who am I to tell the author, the creator, what he can or cannot do?

 

Then I will like it more or less, as I like any work more or less, but he is in charge. He rules.

 

Did he make mistakes?

 

I don't know. 

 

Is an update a mistake?

 

If Coppola decides that on the screens currently available The Godfather should be seen in a very specific way, am I someone who can contradict him, to Coppola!!, and consider it a mistake?

 

I don't see it.

 

The vision is his. And people sometimes look too much for a certain purity in an original, primal version. 

 

If we were to apply that to Blade Runner, it probably wouldn't be as good as it finally is.

 

But, I repeat, this is very subjective. And debating is a lot of fun.  

 

By the way, I'm happy with Lucas' updates. And I think there is more soul of "Star Wars" -and what it represents- in the "Episode III" than in the last three films added together. 

 

In fact the best way to show who has the vision, and who is the creator, is to see what happens when that person is missing. With Lucas, with movies, with books, with music. With everything.

 

 

Well the problem with Star Wars in particular is Lucas has essentially tried to scrub the original version from history. He has said on the record "I'm sorry you fell in love with an unfinished product." 

 

Films are essentially historical artifacts at the end of the day. They are a product of their time. When a director later changes their mind on how things should be presented, I agree with @Gary K in that it then becomes a derivative work. Marcia Lucas didn't win an Oscar for her editing the Special Editions, she won it for the original version.

 

I'm in favor of filmmakers having the ability to revisit their films with updates/changes, as long as the original theatrical version remains available.

 

[R1s1ngs0n]

I stumbled upon this YT video this morning, which might be of interest to those who might be worried about the new 4K transfer. 

 

This guy also mentions the possibility of other Scorsese titles being acquired by Criterion, namely The Departed and The Aviator.

I'm not a big fan of The Departed but I would love Criterion to do The Aviator. But when are we gonna see a proper upgrade for Goodfellas? If there ever was a Scorsese film in urgent need of a visual upgrade, then surely it's this one.

Edited November 7, 2023 by R1s1ngs0n

[Casiusco]

12 hours ago, hansreinhardt said:

 

Well the problem with Star Wars in particular is Lucas has essentially tried to scrub the original version from history. He has said on the record "I'm sorry you fell in love with an unfinished product." 

 

Films are essentially historical artifacts at the end of the day. They are a product of their time. When a director later changes their mind on how things should be presented, I agree with @Gary K in that it then becomes a derivative work. Marcia Lucas didn't win an Oscar for her editing the Special Editions, she won it for the original version.

 

I'm in favor of filmmakers having the ability to revisit their films with updates/changes, as long as the original theatrical version remains available.

 

 

I understand your perspective, but it's not mine  

 

Throughout the history of art many times works have evolved, until the director/creator had the proper means to make it the way he really wanted the final work to be. 

 

The difference is that now everything is recorded, and before, many times, we only saw the final work, as if it was something unique.

 

In fact, in the case of cinema, we can easily see how the devices themselves have evolved over time. Not so long ago people were shooting with 16:9 in mind, but a 4:3 version was released because that was the TV people had at home. Even Kubrick did it. Can it be fun, or even more enjoyable, to watch a particular film in 4:3? Of course. Is that the final version the director wanted to make? No.

 

Sometimes we even tend to take as the final version to keep the one we knew, the one we are emotionally invested in.

 

But all this doesn't mean that I have anything against the original Star Wars versions, in fact I understand your position. I simply give authority to the author because it is his creation.

 

Nothing more.

 

And in the case of remasterings, I'm always surprised by the complaints, for example with "The Godfather", and other similar movies. Of course he can be wrong, we all can, but if Coppola tells me that the best way to watch his film on today's devices is "like this", I assume he knows more than I do about how "The Godfather" was intended to be viewed.

 

But maybe you should be able to enjoy the version you want. As Coppola himself has done with "Apocalypse Now", or Ridley Scott himself with several of his films.